Bryonia For A Clinging Child

I have had a peculiar observation in my clinical practice over the last 6 months.

Two of my pediatric cases with a common complaint of the child clinging to the mother responded wonderfully to BRYONIA given over daily doses. In both cases the child was not allowing the mother to go out to her work and wanted her around almost 24 hours.

The first thing the child used to do after waking up in the morning was to check the mother's presence around the house. In her absence, the child would throw strong and violent tantrums by screaming or crying aloud.

In the first case, the child had some other physical ailments, the totality of which lead me to BRYONIA. The clinging was reported as a behavioral pattern, but was not taken into consideration while prescribing. Clinging was not a concomitant since the acute ailment had presented. The clinging existed persistently in spite of any acute illness. Bryonia, being the similimum, cured the acute physical symptoms as well as the clinging. It was a big surprise to me since I had not expected it, thinking and feeling that possibly another prescription would be needed for clinging later.

Considering this accidental curative experience I prescribed BRYONIA in the second case, which had clinging as the chief complaint, and it worked wonders there, as well.

Can anybody guide me towards the possible rubric-representation or the possible references ?

Tags: accidental, bryonia, child, clinging, cure

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Permalink Reply by sajjadakram on March 27, 2011 at 11:30pm

Company desire for.

Holding or being held desire for amel.

can be the possible symptoms.

sajjad.

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Permalink Reply by Amit Karkare on March 28, 2011 at 5:00am

Sajjad sir,

Thanks for your input. I wanted to have a rubric that could explain BRYONIA's role in the cure. This is a retrospective travel, thus we need to get the rubrics covered by bryonia. Your selection also matched with Roger van Zandvoort's selection for the same discussion.

Regards, Amit

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Permalink Reply by Debby Bruck on March 28, 2011 at 12:36am

Sajjad is correct. These rubrics are quite close and if you put one instead of the other you would not find Bryonia in "Clinging" but will find it in "holding." It will be helpful to see listed the other rubrics chosen to round out the case.

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Permalink Reply by Amit Karkare on March 28, 2011 at 4:58am

Thanks Debby !!

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Permalink Reply by Gamze Arpacı on March 28, 2011 at 1:22am

As you said;" In both cases the child was not allowing the mother to go out to her work and wanted her around almost 24 hours." l may think of the rubric Mind-desires-full of desires-unattainable things desire for.

and also you said "The first thing the child used to do after waking up in the morning was to check the mother's presence around the house" the rubric can be Mind -Fear-Waking on.

also as a metaphor, bry is the main remedy talking about "being at home" so as you think about a child the only thing s/he thinks to be at home is to be near to her/his mother. l guess this can bring clinging.

all the best

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Permalink Reply by Amit Karkare on March 28, 2011 at 4:58am

Hi Gamze,

It's indeed a good thinking, although I would prefer the later part of "being at home" which is easily comprehensible.

As regards "mind - fear - waking on": I feel the awakening is not triggering the fear but its just a situational issue. In the first rubric, do you mean "unattainable" so as to indicate the inevitable absence of mother due to her professional commitments ?

Thanks for the inputs, it made my day!

Cheers, Amit

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Permalink Reply by Gamze Arpacı on March 29, 2011 at 2:52pm

Hi Amit,

actually you are quite right with the rubric about the fear it is really not triggered by waking, the child feels it when he wakes up but in the repertories we are not so lucky about the real causes but the results. as an example biting nails rubric contains Bar-c and med at the same time but bar-c bites them because he is too shy and not feeling confident , but med does what ever he does with a great passion and if you cannot see the child while the action and if you are told that he is biting his nails you may miss the point. may be this is considerable.

secondly unattainable is the word of repertory and l mean the way you concern . Mother has to go work but the child doesnt want to let her go.

There are many children around like this. Guess starting a discussion made our day by sharing your professional experience , bry will always be on our minds when we meet such of cases.

All the best

Gamze

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Permalink Reply by Debby Bruck on March 28, 2011 at 11:51pm

Excellent contributions Gamze

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Permalink Reply by Claudia Knecht on March 28, 2011 at 2:39am

Very interesting - thks

I am going to put the whole discussion in my windows notes program - so I find it again when have a similar case.

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Permalink Reply by Helena Mykrä on March 28, 2011 at 7:44am

Thank you very much for this discussion. I have a case like this and there has been some help with Lac Humanum, when the mother stopped breast feeding. But I will try Bryonia next time, if the case is not solved.

Helena

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Permalink Reply by kuram srinivasachar anand on March 28, 2011 at 12:00pm

@sajjadakram. Right sir. Desire being held amel. But there is a difference. The basic bryonia feeling is being in comfort zone. Not held by a nurse or others. Even father, if the baby does not feel comfortable with the father. I have seen a case of bryonia, where, the lady only wanted her husband to be with her when she was suffering. She was not allowing her own daughter to comfort her. Does this further define or qualify "being held amel"? And one more point. In clinging, the patient goes and holds the person. So, the person towards whom the patient goes has to give comfort to the patient. Otherwise the case may not belong to Bry. May be Stram. I think the idea needs fine tuning. Good point for discussion Dr. Amit. Senior prescribers who specialize in mind symptoms can throw much more light on this subject.

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Permalink Reply by Amit Karkare on March 28, 2011 at 9:41pm

Thanks for the reply. It really is a much refined thinking.

You said it right, when the child needs his mother specifically, it needs some specific rubric representation. Comfort is one thing, but when you consider a "MOTHER", she gives you a lot many things (in fact everything) apart from comfort. In case of a small child, mother is LIFE.