WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF……………

Comment by Gina Tyler DHOM on December 17, 2009 at 12:43pm

A comment from Dr. Brady:"The Pasteur treatment for rabies is a blind treatment and no one knows whether Pasteur treatment confers any protection against rabies. I’d never willingly receive Pasteur treatment or give it to any one under any conceivable circumstances, because I fear the material so injected has a disastrous effect in some instances. It is not always successful and, occasionally, paralysis follows its use." It Is Dr. Brady’s opinion that rabies "does not occur in man."



In a hook entitled, "Bechamp or Pasteur," by E. D. Hume, there may be found much proof pertinent to our discussion. A notable failure of the Pasteur treatment was that of a young postman, named Pierre Roscol, who, with another man, was attacked by a dog supposed to be mad, but was not bitten, for the dog’s teeth did not penetrate his clothing; but his companion received severe bites. The latter refused to go to the Pasteur Institute and remained in perfect health; but the unfortunate Roscal was forced by the postal authorities to undergo the treatment(vaccine), beginning March 9th. On the following April 12th severe symptoms set in with pain at the point of inoculation, not at the place of the bite, for he had never been bitten. On April 14th he died of paralytic "hydrophobia" the new disease brought into the world by Pasteur.

Another incident extracted from the same book shows the power of suggestion or fear in the causation of so-called rabies. It is hard to credit, but the case is recorded as follows.

"Two young Frenchmen were bitten by the same dog at Havre. One died from the effects within a month, but, before this, his friend had sailed for America, where he lived for fifteen years in ignorance of the end of his former companion. Returning to France, he heard of the tragedy and, actually himself, developed symptoms, and within three weeks was dead of "hydrophobia."

Another interesting recorded case is that of a lady, who returning from bathing, stated that she had been bitten by a dog. "The anxious parents rushed her for Pasteur treatments, she became violently ill, death followed. On the way home from the funeral the girl companions who were bathing with her told the parents of the dead girl that she was not bitten by a dog but by her young man friend."

There are over 3.000 deaths on record in reports from the Pasteur Institute, of persons bitten by dogs. All died after treatments. On the other hand, the record of the London Hospital, a few years ago, showed 2,668 persons bitten by angry dogs: not one of them developed hydrophobia and not one had been treated by the Pasteur method.
yes i would use homeopathy-

Comment by Gina Tyler DHOM on December 17, 2009 at 12:47pm

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Comment by Gina Tyler DHOM on December 17, 2009 at 1:08pm

Only 10% of the side effects(vaccines) ever get REPORTED,90% go unreported by patients and MD's-
Despite the extreme under-reporting of vaccinal adverse reactions, this report states on the second page that between April 1, 2004 and March 31, 2007, the Center for Veterinary Biologics, "nearly 10,000 adverse event reports (all animal species) were received by manufacturers of rabies vaccines..........Approximately 65% of the manufacturer's reports involved dogs."

The report further states on the second page that: "Rabies vaccines are the most common group of biological products identified in adverse event reports received by the CVB," and they give the following description of the adverse reaction followed by the % of dogs affected: Vomiting-28.1%, Facial Swelling-26.3%, Injection Site Swelling or Lump-19.4%, Lethargy-12%, Urticaria-10.1%, Circulatory shock-8.3%, Injection site pain-7.4%, Pruritus-7.4%, Injection site alopecia or hair loss-6.9%, Death-5.5%, Lack of Consciousness-5.5, Diarrhea-4.6%, Hypersensitivity (not specified)-4.6%, Fever-4.1%, Anaphylaxis-2.8%, Ataxia-2.8%, Lameness-2.8%, General signs of pain-2.3%, Hyperactivity-2.3%, Injection site scab or crust-2.3%, Muscle tremor-2.3%, Tachycardia-2.3%, and Thrombocytopenia-2.3%.

Comment by Dr Muhammed Rafeeque on December 18, 2009 at 12:59am

The first remedy for the victim in not Allopathy or Homeopathy, but sympathy. First of all, let him relax and give assurance that there is nothing to worry. Then wash the bitten area with soap and pure water. Spray the water continuously for a few minutes so that no trace of saliva remains in the wounded area. NEVER DRESS the wound, because lack of occygen can result in Tetanus (if spores of C. Tetani are present in the wound). Then give Lyssin 200 a few doses. This is the first level of prevention.

Now comes the IF... as told by Dr. Sarfaraz Ahmed.
If no confidence, specially when the dog is a street dog showing some signs of rabies: Refer the case to a hospital. Later on we can treat him on the basis of a/f dog bite.
If fully confident: Give the indicated medicine to the victim.
Meanwhile observe the dog, his behavior, feeding habits, aggressiveness, dribbling of saliva, position of the tail etc.
So far I have come across a few such cases and Lyssin worked.
If you feel the dog is dull, inactive, tail relaxed without movements with dribbling of saliva, call a vet surgeon for his opinion.

Comment by Dr. Sarfaraz Ahmed on December 22, 2009 at 10:54am

Honorable Doctor Rafeeeque Sahib
The question presumes that it was a rabid dog, and of course whatever the tratment washing the wound aggressivly with soap and water is a must.
If you knew it was a rabid dog what would you do?

Comment by Dr. Wequar Ali Khan on December 22, 2009 at 1:06pm

The topic is important(,and similarly we can think about snake bite but we can discuss that as a another subject at a later date).In third world countries specially in villages dog bite can cause a lot of anxiety to the victim and the family;

This subject needs a lot of input from the homeopathic community who should share their experience whatever it be,success or failure,so that we as a homeopath can be prepared for such mishaps.

I myself became a victim of a dog bite in early 60s in Dacca now Dhaka (Bangla Desh),though it was superficial,but on insistance of my elders i had to take injections at Mitford Hospital.
There has been no problem on this subject,about the injections;Homeopathic intervention was not asked for as at that time as it was not known if there was any Homeopathic treatment known to my elders on Dog bite;

Though Dr Gina and Dr Rafeeque have given their inputs but it needs to be expanded so that we know what medicine are there in homeopathy beside,Lyssin,Hydrophobium,or any other.
How we should monitor the patient before and after the dog bite,what symptoms should or could be expected,what should be done about the dog itself.In many cases the dog would not be found after the bite,being a stray dog.If a pet dog then what should be done about the dog and what symptoms should be kept in mind,and what should be done to the dog itself;

This is a subject which definitely needs deep investigation from homeopathic point of view and some sort of standard measures be adopted for treatment.As i said earlier our experiences should be pooled for benefit of all.

Comment by Dr Muhammed Rafeeque on December 22, 2009 at 11:05pm

It is easy to distinguish a rabid dog from its altered behavior. If I am sure that the dog is having rabies, I will definitely refer the case to a hospital where anti rabies treatment is available. Lateron we can treat him for the ill effects of dog bit. Because when some toxin has endered the body, it should be neutralized using another substance that act on the same level. Even Hahnemann has mentioned about the use of physiological antidotes in case of poisoning.

Comment by Dr.Mubashar Ahmad Khan on December 24, 2009 at 6:05pm

It is very interesting discussion, I enjoyed and learned more from it. Homoeopathy may also have some answers of all these questions,door of research is open.Big names in this field may come forward and provide the basic health facilities where these all are not provided by our societies.Homoeopaths may fill this gap.Homoeopathy is no doubt a complete way of treatment , so it can also present , and should be present the solution of these all problems.Then we with full force and with full confidence can prove and say that this way of treatment has solutions of all the problems properly.We are proud to be a Homoepath,but we will fully struggle for its promotion and to serve it and all the ailing humanity, it needs really a hardwork and dedication , also.We should prepare to answer this question that dog bitten patients why prefer to go to allopaths ? Whether Homoeopathy have naot answer these questions?

Comment by Dr. Girijadevi TK on December 29, 2009 at 4:20am

A very wise comment & interpretation by Dr.Muhammed Rafeeque

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