Debby Bruck – Organon 2010 Is a Medical Textbook After 200 Years Still Up to Date

Organon 2010: Is a Medical Textbook After 200 Years Still Up to Date?

Nobel Laureate Explains the Principles of Homeopathy

posted by Dr Nisanth by Dr. Nisanth Nambison, MD on July 13, 2010 at 6:30am:

Authors:

Dr. Nisanth Nambison – Assistant Professor, Government Homoeopathic Medical College, Bhopal (INDIA)

Dr. Smita Nambison – President, Society of Advanced Homoe Sciences & MD, Nambisons HomeoZone.

www.nambisons.com

www.diagnozit.com

This paper aims at putting to rest the voices of skeptics, wasting time, on attempting to prove either Similia principle is absurd, Homeopathy doesn’t work or the High dilution has nothing in it.

Nobel Laureate Luc Montagnier is a French virologist and joint recipient of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, for his discovery of the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) in his recent publication Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA

Sequences; Author: Luc MONTAGNIER et al.; Interdiscip Sci Comput Life Sci (2009) 1: 81–90; 6 January 2009 has brought out fantastic results explaining principles of Homoeopathy.

We have used some excerpts from the above research to show the facts in favoring Homeopathy.

Some terms used in the paper:

EMS (Electro Magnetic Signals)

Loud or Positive (Emitting EMS)

Silent or Negative (not emitting EMS)

In Support of serially agitated dilutions:

Luc MONTAGNIER et al. discovered a novel property of DNA that is the capacity of some sequences to emit electromagnetic waves in resonance after excitation by the ambient electromagnetic background.

Moreover, a number of physical studies have reported that water molecules can form long polymers of dipoles associated by hydrogen bonds (Ruan et al., 2004; Wernet et al., 2004).

Luc MONTAGNIER et al. detected the same EMS in the plasma and in the DNA extracted from the plasma of patients suffering of Alzheimer, Parkinson disease, multiple Sclerosis and Rheumatoid Arthritis.

Luc MONTAGNIER et al. detected the capacity of some bacterial DNA sequences to induce electromagnetic waves at high aqueous dilutions has been found. It appears to be a resonance phenomenon triggered by the ambient electromagnetic background of very low frequency waves.

Luc MONTAGNIER et al. Filtrated of a culture supernatant of Mycoplasma pirum, a microorganism of about 300 nM in size, through filters of 100 nM or 20 nM porosities, yielded apparently sterile fluid. The first low dilutions were usually negative, showing the background noise only. But, Positive signals were obtained at dilutions ranging from 10−5 to 10−8 or 10−12. Higher dilutions were again negative.

An aliquot of the 20 nM filtrate was layered on the top of a 5-20% (w/v) sucrose gradient in water and centrifuged for 2 hours at 35,000 rpm in a swinging bucket rotor. 10,000 rpm for 15 minutes, the supernatant was filtered on 450 nM filter and the resulting filtrate was filtered again on a 100 nM filter. The final filtrate was found sterile, when plated on nutrient agar medium and was analyzed for electromagnetic wave emission, as described above for M. pirum. Signal producing dilutions usually range from 10−8 to 10−12, with profiles upon Fourier transformation, similar to those of M. Pirum.

In one experiment, some very high dilutions were found positive, ranging from 10−9 to 10−18. Lower dilutions, which logically should contain a larger number of signal producing structures, were “silent”. When we added 0.1 mL of a negative low dilution (e.g. 10−3) to 0.4 mL or 0.9 mL of a positive dilution (10−8), the latter became negative. This indicate that the ”silent” low dilutions are self-inhibitory, probably by interference of the multiple sources emitting in the same wave length or slightly out of phase, like a radio jamming.

Alternatively, the abundance of nanostructures can form a gel in water and therefore are prevented to vibrate. At the high dilution of 10−13, calculations indicate that there is no DNA molecule of MW larger than 105 in the solution, making it unlikely that the EMS are produced directly by the DNA itself, but rather by the self-sustained nanostructures induced by the DNA.

SIMILIA SIMILIBUS CURRANTUR (Likes are cured by likes)

A donor tube of a low “silent (not emitting EMS)” dilution of E. Coli (10−3) i.e. 3c was placed side by side close to a receiver tube of the positive “loud (emitting EMS)” highest dilution of the same preparation (10−9). Both tubes were placed in a mumetal box for 24 hours at room temperature, so that the tubes were not exposed to external electromagnetic noise, and only exposed to the signals generated by the structures present in the tubes themselves. The tubes were then read again by the signal detecting device, the donor tube was still silent (not emitting EMS); however the receiver tube which was emitting EMS became also silent (not emitting EMS).

Moreover, when further dilutions were made from the receiver tube 10c, 11c, 12c (10−10, 10−11, 10−12), these dilutions had become positive (emitting EMS). These results suggest that the receiver tube was made silent (not emitting EMS) by formation of an excess of new nanostructures, which could emit signals upon further dilution. See Fig.6

To unscientific minds it may suggest that High dilutions are capable of doing nothing. But, if we look at below mentioned example, we will realize that high diluted or single molecule can actually do lot of things:

Beta-endorphins are known to modulate natural killer-cell activity in dilutions of 10-18.

Interleukin-1, an important part of the immune system, has been found to exhibit increased T-cell clone proliferation at <10-19.

Pheromones emitted by animals and insects, result in hypersensitive reactions with even a single molecule. (Scientists, as on date, have no means to assess the effects of anything which has no molecule.)

(-Dana Ullman, Homeopathic Medicine: Making the Case for Nanopharmacology Nutrition Science News Spring 2002)

Now, let me ask some questions to the skeptics of Homeopathy.

1. Did anyone see X-Ray? No, but we can see results, on the X-Ray plate, this is its medium to manifest.

2. Did anyone see electron flowing in the wires? No, but we can see the bulb glowing, when we switch it on. That means we can see the result through an appropriate medium.

3. Can anyone see the data written on the CD or Pen drive or for that matter on the Hard drive, with naked eyes? No, but it can be seen if connected to an appropriate computer, through appropriate medium.

4. When a data is written on the floppy, pen drive or CD. Does it increase the weight of the medium? Is there any increase in molecule? No, if there is no change in the weight of the medium then, how do we say that the data is written. But, we can see the data in a specific medium that is Computer.

5. Belladona berries are enough to kill a child. Cattle and rabbits are not affected by the Belladonna poison, because they are not the right medium for Belladona to manifest.

Therefore, everything on the earth needs an appropriate medium to manifest itself.

Similarly, is there any molecule or original drug substance in a Homeopathic Dilution (Potency) can you measure it or see it? No, but, what you can see is the result. Result in the form of cure of sickness. You can see the affect Homeopathic dilution, only, if you place it in an appropriate medium, like Susceptible Human Body.

This is the reason why double-blind trails are not applicable to Homeopathy. Not every person with fever would respond to Arsenic, since, he may not be the right medium for the Homeopathic Dilution to act.

Through this paper it is pretty clear that the principles of Homeopathy holds true. And different scientists of different faculties throughout the world have proved it to be true. Now it is unto the skeptics to believe it or not.

“All the evidence concerning the universe has not yet been collected, so there’s still hope”

Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

World Health Organization Report on the Status of Homeopathy by Dr. Nisanth Nambison MD on July 13, 2010 at 3:37am:

Homeopathy was first mentioned by Hippocrates (462–377 BC), but it was a German physician, Hahnemann (1755–1843), who established homeopathy’s basic principles: law of similarity, direction of cure, principle of single remedy, the theory of minimum diluted dose, and the theory of chronic disease (2). In homeopathy, diseases are treated with remedies that in a healthy person would produce symptoms similar to those of the disease. Rather than fighting the disease directly, medicines are intended to stimulate the body to fight the disease. By the latter half of the 19th century, homeopathy was practised throughout Europe as well as in Asia and North America. Homeopathy has been integrated into the national health care systems of many countries, including India, Mexico, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and the United Kingdom.

https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/42452

Homeopathy Draws Ire of German Government Officials Latest News from Hahnemann’s Birthplace:

(https://www.dw.com/en/homeopathy-draws-ire-of-german-government-officials/a-5789488)

It is not coincidence that we must defend and protect our Founder’s literature and those who came after in this day and age. Always under scrutiny, we are on the cusp of change. Our economic, geo-political, economic systems are crumbling. In a way, as we read today Aphorism #17 using the word “annihilate” disease and disorder from the whole.

In each country, one by one, there are forces attempting to secure their power, control and influence. Using wily and twisted thinking to point the finger away from their own inadequacies, instead of repairing their own foundation, they forget that four fingers point back in their own direction.

People will not take this sitting down. People now have at their fingertips the internet to search, research and learn for themselves. Let everyone read and discern what is true and right. Please stand up to be counted. Let us make a loud sound that rings the bell of truth.

Organon 2010: is a medical textbook after 200 years still up to date?

by Ubiratan Cardinalli Adler Homeopathy graduation Program, Faculdade de Medicina de Jundiaí, Jundiaí, Brazil International Journal of High Dilution Research 2010; 9 (31): 61-62 61 Letter to the Editor

Dear Sir,

The question, proposed by the German Central Union of homeopathic Doctors, is the pivotal subject addressed in a series of lectures and discussions being held all over Germany in 2010 [1], to celebrate the bicentenary of homeopathy´s first medical textbook.

Hahnemann´s Organon of the Healing Art is the basis for classical homeopathy. Reading its 6th and posthumous edition is part of the education of 90% of the homeopaths, as indicated by a survey carried out at the 60th Homeopathic World Medical Congress (Berlin 2005) [2].

This might be odd to conventional doctors, used to read the latest editions of textbooks and journals, but Hahnemann´s therapeutics seems to be ahead of his time, in that classical homeopathy can be at least as effective as current standard pharmacotherapy [3].

For instance, classical homeopathy for children suffering from atopic eczema showed comparable results to conventional treatment in usual care [4]. Moreover, randomized controlled double blind trials using the dynamization scale introduced by the 6th edition (fifty-millesimal or Quinquagintamillesimal dynamization and its products, the Q-potencies) showed that homeopathically individualized Q-potencies were superior to placebo for fibromyalgia [5] or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in children [6], and not inferior to the antidepressant fluoxetine in a sample of patients with moderate to severe depression [7].

More studies using the clinical-pharmaceutical protocol of the Organon [8] are of course needed, but so far its use by trained physicians have yield to challenging results, keeping up with what is recommended in most recent clinical textbooks for the treatment of some chronic diseases.

Int J High Dilution Res 2010; 9(31): 85-89

Time for everyone to post their perspective on the value of reading and studying The Organon. It is a foundational theory, premise, starting point for continuing the “Practice” of this method of healing. Because something has longevity, do you not think it is of value? In China, old age and experience are considered golden treasures. There are many “lost arts” because people did not continue on with the study and tradition. How do we impress upon those ‘youngsters’ of the New Age of Western medicine that Hahnemann’s words contain wisdom and knowledge? Do they not also take the Hippocratic Oath? Are they being ‘hypocritical’ when they begin their practice by reading and ‘swearing to uphold’ this document written in the 4th century B.C.E.?

The Origin of An Oath

They do not even know who wrote it or when it was first used.  And some say the followers of Pythagoras were more influenced by this writing than Hippocrates. Whereas, in reading The Organon we have more knowledge about the author, his life and times, the conditions in which he lived, his followers and the evolution over the course of six editions to the development of this method and practice.

For medical physicians today they post on their wall and take this pledge to uphold words translated from the Greek language that refers to ethical practice and to receiving the resources of healing from gods, which implies spirit. I question whether they understand that, and if they do, how they imbue their day-to-day medicine with this knowledge? Do they realize there is a “higher” force which provides the ability and power to heal? We call it the “vital force.”

In the reading of this document do you see similarities and differences to the writings of The Organon? Is it not true that Hahnemann, himself, must have taken this oath upon becoming a physician?

Does it not say that they must ask for advise from others who may be able to cure and assist in healing? Oh, pray, how the medical arts have fallen into the traps that these wise ones were warning by taking this oath. We have too many incidents of deception within the drug industry, bribery, cover-ups, recalls, and side-effects.

It is through fear that their actions are no longer covert from within their own organizations and on the world scene. They have suppressed the pronouncements of physicians who have questioned the ethical and moral dealings within their societies. As courageous individuals and groups within the medical and drug ‘industry’ speak out, the public also questions and wants to find a better way for themselves and their families.

Going back to traditions is not backward thinking. Do what works and stick with it.  I hope that the decision-makers of today take upon themselves the true responsibility of their actions and own up to mistakes. The only way forward is to re-evaluate where you have been, determine where you went wrong, clean up and restructure using the best of what is available and be true and honest to make a better society.

When we began the Who’s Reading the Organon Radio Show I had wanted to start with this reading the Hippocratic Oath. To compare The Organon, which is similar to taking an oath of understanding how to practice the pure and true art of healing, please visit the WRTO Group and listen to the Radio Shows.

The Hippocratic Oath (Original Translated into English)

I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:

To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

The Hippocratic Oath (Classic Translated into English)

I swear by Apollo the Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods, and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art–if they desire to learn it–without fee and covenant;

to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken the oath according to medical law, but to no one else.

I will apply dietic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect.

Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep myself holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

The Hippocratic Oath (Modern Version)

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon’s knife or the chemist’s drug.

I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient’s recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person’s family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

 

Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools today.

Nova Doctor Diaries: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html

Post notes:

Reply by Dr. Piyush Kumar on July 14, 2010 at 2:56pm

Dear Debby,

This is very thought provoking article not only for the Homeopaths but to whole Medical Fraternity…which have lost the DIRECTION in their mission,work and Promise…and above all the FAITH…

Organon…is a kind of Oath,Law,and directions…and is same..in period of 200 years…there occured lot of events in world…lot of demographic,and power shifts…but tis old Textbook on MEdicine…ORGANON…is still…showing path to every physician…in his mission to promote health and prevention of diseases.

Reply by Vaikunthanath das Kaviraj. on July 14, 2010 at 4:54pm

The original Hippocratic oath says that “first do not harm”

The second aphorism forbids the use of the knife or fire as therapeutic measures.

That is their first line of defense!

The Organon is such a seminal book that you can never study it enough. I have read it 64 times at least – twice a year since I started in 1979. I recommend to study it again and again. Even after 64 times, I still discover things I did not notice before.

Reply by Dr. Abdul Ghafoor Chughtai on July 15, 2010 at 9:31am

Organon…is Law and directions. It is showing path to every physician in his mission to promote health and prevention of diseases.

Reply by Dr.Arohi Bharatbhushan Pandey on July 16, 2010 at 5:38am

I think that organon is a complete in all aspects but still I will say it have to be updated .Last edition of Organon was in 1921 but its manuscript was ready even before Dr.Hahnemann’s death ,now the whole scenerio is different bcoz of so much advancements all over the world in each and every field ,so some modification and updation shold be made in organon according to the recent demand in the homeopathy.

Reply by Dr. Piyush Kumar on July 16, 2010 at 2:01pm

“Organon is complete in all aspects. It needs to be updated due to advancement in every field of medicine. It iss also need modification.”

In first reading of your comment…straightway everyone has denied…

Respecting everyone and agreeing with this thought of Dr. Arohi…i would like to briefly state my reasons as following…(briefly)

1) Reading Organon alongwith Lesser writings of Dr. S. Hahnemann and Dr. Boenninghausen…one can clearly see many articles…especially, of Dr. Boenninghausen…who felt this…he suggests that we must use stethoscope in assessment while proving of drugs…so that we can ascertain the exact location of the part affected …(so probably this means minor updation in Aph related to Provings)

2) Aphorisms are Generalized…which need to be more precise…especially in different varieties of diseases…( I feel this generalization has lead to many confusions in later generation).

3) Miasms theory need more explanation…(one can read in lesser writing of Boenninghausen…in article Sycosis…where He writes…he disscussed with Dr. Hahnemann over this matter and He also agreed…list of antipsoric med and also anti sycotic revised

4) Organon through various editions have minor modification and updation…Sometime I feel if Dr. Hahnemann would have been alive to date….he would have given us guidance regarding treatment of many new disorders of present era…with clear cut guideline separately for each kind of disorder…explaining how to deal with them.

many more…

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 16, 2010 at 4:37pm

Hello Piyush – I see you have elaborated further on Dr. Arohi’s comments. It would be interesting to know how Hahnemann would feel about further updates, and where he would refine or add to what is already written. Of course, this is totally imaginative and speculative on our parts.

Reply by Dr. Piyush Kumar on July 17, 2010 at 9:15am

Dear Debby,

Is it not true that Homeopathy…in present era…has controversies on each and every point… From Case taking, Classification of disease, analysis of symptoms, selection of remedy, selection of scale of remedy, selection of potency, medium of drugs, duration, intercurrent prescriptions, advice on diet and regimine, etc.

Nosodes, sarcodes, autonosode, etc.

WHY IS IT SO?

It may be quiet easy for an experienced physician…who had decided their methods…but never easy for any novice.

There are lot of misconception in Homeopathy…one reason may be (That sixth edition got published after so many years…and meanwhile in due time after MASTER’S DEATH…many started to build their own methodology…even MMP was not studied by every physician…(HERE I MAY ASK A QUESTION…HOW MANY STUDENTS AND COLLEGES AND PRESENT TRAINING COURSES…STRESS OR MAKE IT COMPULSORY BOOK FOR EVERYONE?)

So, in future…also have we planned out in detail on each controversies…and can we give or disscuss in detail on each aspect…this is what is needed to be addressed in Organon…

This words are not written with intention of condemn or anger or any negative feelings…as we know every patient is going to question us not Dr. Hahnemann…so responsibility lies on us…to understand the method and concepts…so that we can work in better way…

New generation of Homeopaths, need details…not only generalization.

Reply by sajjadakram on July 17, 2010 at 10:39am

even MMP was not studied by every physician….(HERE I MAY ASK A QUESTION….HOW MANY STUDENTS AND COLLEGES AND PRESENT TRAINING COURSES…STRESS OR MAKE IT COMPULSORY BOOK FOR EVERYONE?)

According to my information—No one.

sajjad.

Reply by Vaikunthanath das Kaviraj. on July 17, 2010 at 10:45am

Well, Sajjad, not in Australia, when I lived there. Not in the Sankaran colleges. Not in the Scholten teachings. Not in the schools where homoeopathy is but one of the so-called “modalities.

In other words, it is at least sorely lacking. That is at least strange – the seminal book about homoeopathy is not taught. The reasons are that once you DO study it, you discover the glaring discrepancies in the modern systems. So it is better to maintain the systems if you DO NOT TEACH ORGANON.

Soon I will open my own school. There, you cannot even get from the first year to the second, if you do not know the Organon. It will be compulsory reading and study to pass all exams.

Reply by sajjadakram on July 17, 2010 at 10:55am

Dear Kaviraj,

Well, Sajjad, not in Australia, when I lived there. Not in the Sankaran colleges. Not in the Scholten teachings. Not in the schools where homoeopathy is but one of the so-called “modalities.

It is still not in Australia!!

Regards.

sajjad.

Reply by Dr. K. Saji on July 18, 2010 at 11:45am

Dear Dr. Piyush,

“HERE I MAY ASK A QUESTION….HOW MANY STUDENTS AND COLLEGES AND PRESENT TRAINING COURSES…STRESS OR MAKE IT COMPULSORY BOOK FOR EVERYONE ?”

Here you are talking about MMP no?

MMP is included in the syllabus of MD(Hom) Materia Medica – University of Calicut. ‘Organon’ is a compulsory book in the BHMS syllabus of most of the Universities in India.

Dr. Kaviraj in the following comment is mentioning ‘Teaching Organon’.

That’s why i asked for a clarification.

Saji

Reply by Dr. Piyush Kumar on July 18, 2010 at 11:58am

Dear Dr. Saji,

MMP should be basics…as is Organon. It should be taught in BHMS.

The question is very specific but for everyone.

The question is on whole set of controversies…which is weakening the confidence of novice at first place, patients the second, and Homoeopathy and Medical fraternity at last.

Why is their place for controversies?

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 16, 2010 at 4:34pm

Dear Dr. Pandey,

Perhaps you can tell more about what or how you think The Organon can be ‘updated?’

What advancements have been made that need to be included?

This has been a topic of discussion on the radio show.

Reply by Dr. Arohi Bharatbhushan Pandey on July 18, 2010 at 1:07pm

Dr. Hahnemann had written that 5th edition is the best & most complete edition but even though he had written the manuscript of 6th edition after that during his lifetime only but it was not published due to some reasons. So, if he had been alive then there would be so much editions of organon till now with some developments, even from 6th edition we got LM potency so it should be updated. So, by that we will get many more new things in our homeopathy.

Reply by Dr. K. Saji on July 16, 2010 at 5:42am

Dear Debby

Thoughts at a very right time.

Yes, Organon contains the fundamental theory, a law, which is the basis of a medical system – a vague thought of centuries made into a perfect, concrete law, through experiments upon the healthy human beings, by a genius, who walked ahead of the thoughts of his century.

Organon contains everything about medicine at that time, and almost everything about Homoeopathy. We, the followers of it has nothing to do with the basic principles. It’s value will remain the same in the more centuries to come. What we could do is just reread and correlate the theory with the present day advanced findings in the human physiology, pathology and other branches of medicine.

Those yougsters of the so called modern medicine are pretending that they don’t know the real value of the basic medical literature. The Gray’s Anatomy of 1858 is one of the text books for MD Anatomy in this modern era ! They may talk about the editions ( The last is the 40th ? ) but, what addition they have made to the fundamental anatomy of human body ? A few colourful pictures ?! Organon reveals the truth about the cure of various diseases of humanity. It is a fact, a proven law, there is no chance for an addition. If they want more editions like Gray’s, more colourful pictures of mortars, pestles and other things could be added !!

Many of the doctors of this century work and live against the Hippocratic Oath. Every line of the oath can be mokingly rewrited in the language of the ‘modern medicine’ !!

Regards

Saji

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 16, 2010 at 4:38pm

Good point, Saji.

Reply by DR. SUBHAS SINGH on July 16, 2010 at 9:51am

YES, Organon needs to be edited, modified and if possible re-written. No doubt about it. Why shopuld we stick with something 200 yrs old when the world is moving ahead and everchanging so fast? problem is at the same time and in the same spirit, we should change – Gita, Bible, Quran, and all other books which has become old.

If I may suggest, we should also start calling father as Mom and mother as Dd because this also needs change.

On a serious note is the change really required or just for the sake of change?

An open question to all who seek change – let us pin-point some specific places which needs change?

Reply by Vaikunthanath das Kaviraj. on July 16, 2010 at 10:06am

Yeah right!

Change all the eternal truths to reflect its lack today. LOL.

Good plan.

Confusion alone is not enough – let us make it desperate.

On a serious note, if anything has stood the test of time for so long, it needs but minor adjustment to modern days.

To pinpoint some, bloodletting should be replaced by blood tests, the excessive orthodox use of drugs needs to include antibiotics, the pill and steroids. Mercury and calomel can be scrapped as medicines used by the orthodox.

We need to keep mercury as a cause, from amalgam fillings.

We need to include vaccine damage and side effects in a more systematic manner.

If I really sit down with the book – which i have done – I can come up with some other improvements.

Use the language differently – short sentences and bullet points for conditions and circumstances.

Eliminate repetitive aphorisms in which he says the same thing over and over again. Eliminate the minor flaws in his philosophical explanations, such as the one where he says that the remedy cures because of symptom similarity and because it is stronger than the disease. That same strength he has condemned before as being irrelevant to the cure. It also weakens the argument FOR symptom similarity.

So there are things that need improvement but the science as it is, stands like the Himalaya – it is as old as those mountains too.

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 16, 2010 at 4:44pm

Kavi – are you meaning that Hahnemann should address all of the invasive and harsh treatments in use today in his writings and tell how to handle vaccinations, chemo, preventative mastectomy, massive oil leaks and gas, etc.?

Can we extrapolate from what is already written?

Reply by Vaikunthanath das Kaviraj. on July 16, 2010 at 4:53pm

Debby, there is a lot in the Organon that is not being used. In the sense that we can indeed extrapolate and take what has been written and put it to use on many of the modern problems.

Homoeopathy is from all times and for all times, provided we look for things. That must not be in the mode of radical changes, but in the mode of investigating how the laws are applicable now and for what.

Hahnemann already speaks about vaccinosis in his Chronic Diseases and how to handle it. Those guidelines count for all types of suppressive treatment and so-called prophylactics, such as for instance malaria pills. How many times does Hahnemann mention malaria as a prime example? All it needs is careful reading and taking it as it is.

There are plenty of instances in both the Organon and the CD to extrapolate successfully from. The entire agrohomoeopathic idea comes straight from the Organon. So I am convinced that we can apply those same rules in every instance of disease.

Reply by Dr. Deepti G. Nair on July 19, 2010 at 3:14pm

Dear Dr Kaviraj

“Those guidelines count for all types of suppressive treatment and so-called prophylactics”

These quotes too are from the writings of Hahnemann

“Universal vaccination put an end to all epidemics of that deadly fearful smallpox to such an extent that the present generation does no longer possess a clear conception of the former frighful smallpox plague.

Moreover, in this way, undoubtedly, certain diseases peculiar to animals may give us remedies and medicinal potencies for very similar important human diseases and thus happily enlarge our stock of homoeopathic remedies”

Reply by Dr. Wequar Ali Khan on July 16, 2010 at 1:10pm

My thinking is straightforward. When something is considered a “classic” it remains classic, for whatever it is worth for and for all time to come. It became a classic because, of its originality, because of its purpose and because it was authored by people who were one of their kind.

I support what Dr. Subhas says:

“On a serious note is the change really required or just for the sake of change?”

In homeopathy where has ORGANON proved “counter productive”. Its laws still perform.

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 16, 2010 at 4:55pm

Wequar. I think of a ‘classic’ as a work of art, a work that has been judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind. It does apply in the traditional sense of being ‘typical, an excellent timeless,’ example. The word classic comes from the Greek to mean from antiquity that still contains principles that expresses something lasting.

If The Organon contains ‘classic’ lasting guiding laws and principles, it would take something to overturn these laws. As in the fact that there are principles and laws of gravity that all objects abide by, until such as this is disproven. So, too, Hahnemann has set forth these principles, based upon observation, repetition, that hold true when applying the laws in the proper manner.

They are more difficult to apply and understand because there is an ‘art’ to their application. This is the skilled artisan who knows how to use these tools of the healing trade.

What is different from simply observing a law of gravity which is all around us [who even pays attention to the daily application of the law of gravity in a conscious manner?] is that the healer is consciously aware of the dynamic forces at play. The homeopath will observe these laws of cure as the patient progresses from a deranged state to a healthy state.

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 16, 2010 at 4:41pm

OMG – this is hysterical comment. If these writings come from heaven, do you think humankind can improve which comes directly from above? I doubt, “The Organon” comes from same spirit directly. It is a book from human mind and ahead of its time, so perhaps there could be improvements. How many can agree on what improvements, amendments, etc could be made? Difficult concept and application. What committee would be able to do this on agreeable terms?

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 16, 2010 at 5:03pm

The message that I am receiving is that if Hahnemann were alive today, he would have to address the contemporary practices, tools and techniques of Western and Eastern medicine.

How would he use the MRI, ultrasound, blood/urine/stool samples, radiation, biopsy, microsurgery, etc.? ‘What would Hahnemann say?” We can only imagine.

Reply by Vaikunthanath das Kaviraj. on July 16, 2010 at 5:10pm

I think that he, like in his own time, would not “use” MRI, knowing it to be invasive – which he clearly forbids in the Organon.

Likewise he would not use biopsy or radiation and would avoid surgery as much as he did 200 years ago. I bet he would have to say something about ultrasound too.

Blood samples he would denounce, just as he denounced blood-letting as the taking of precious vital fluid, which must be detrimental to the health. But stool and urine samples are natural secretions and he would use them.

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 16, 2010 at 6:05pm

Thanks Kavi. What about the Lab Work done on all these secretions and discharges that tell us “strep throat”, too much this, too little that?

Reply by Vaikunthanath das Kaviraj. on July 16, 2010 at 6:36pm

“Therefore disease, considered as a thing separate from the living whole, from the organism and its animating vital force and hidden in the interior, be it of ever so subtle a character, is an absurdity that could only be imagined by minds of the materialistic stamp.” (Organon § 13)

So we have nothing to do with the Pasteurian Aberration – the germ-theory.

Why is this so?

“The natural disease is never to be considered as a noxious material situated somewhere in the exterior or interior.” (Organon § 148)

Therefore, all this lab work with blood, pus, mucus, bugs and chemical messes has no meaning. There is nothing real in them. there could be real science is they had something to be scientific about. Al they have is quasi real.

“Diseases are nothing more than alterations in the state of health of the individual, which express themselves by morbid signs.” (Organon § 19)

Just like a pest or a disease in a plant is not the thing to chase, but the plant has to be cured and the disease or the pest is that which needs to be cured. That does not mean we should eliminate the pest or disease, but restore the vital force. We need to take the symptoms as the signs of disease, but they are not the disease proper.

We need to use the right remedy. and how do we find it?

“Medicines could never cure diseases if they did not have the power of altering the state of health. Their curative power must be owing solely to this power they possess of altering the state of health.” (Organon § 19)

And so they do – called euphemistically “side effects”

“Much more frequent than the natural diseases associating with and complicating one another in the same body, are the morbid complications which the inappropriate treatment is apt to produce, by the long continued employment of unsuitable drugs.” (Organon § 41)

Iatrogenesis is the subject here, so we can then point out some examples – as I did before. Malaria-drug side effects, antibiotic side effects, corticosteroids side effects, the pill side effects, vaccine side effects, or simply iatrogenesis.

As I said, much is there that is hardly used. And the fear of stopping those drugs is disproportional. Beta-blockers can be safely left out if you chose the right remedy – easy if you follow the Organon and difficult if you follow the systems.

I have not yet had any negative effects of leaving out allopathic drugs.

Heart remedies are fairly simple to chose, because the concomitants and modalities give you the keynotes that differentiate them from each other. So once you have the right remedy, you need to learn to trust it and leave out the allopathic stuff, which is detrimental to health at any dose not homoeopathic.

So all the lab work in the world is no substitute for unprejudiced observation. It is no substitute for lack of further diligence in knowing the Organon. It is no substitute, in other words, for sloppy work and allopathic thinking. Organon is as modern as they come, except in some minor details about the type of diseases and the classes of iatrogenesis.

Reply by sajjadakram on July 17, 2010 at 10:49am

Dear Kaviraj,

Modern diagnostic facilities can help us to know the exact location and objective sensations and also prognosis of the disease. On all other points I agree.

Best regards.

Sajjad.

Reply by Vaikunthanath das Kaviraj. on July 17, 2010 at 1:45pm

Dear Sajjad,

most diagnostics are invasive, and therefore detrimental to the patient’s well being.

What happened to the first aphorism of the Hippocratic oath?

“FIRST DO NO HARM.”

Reply by sajjadakram on July 17, 2010 at 9:13pm

Dear Kaviraj,

yes, they are. I agree.

Regards.

sajjad.

Reply by Dr Guillermo Zamora on July 18, 2010 at 4:40pm

Dear Professor Hans:

Well said, Good synthesis.

Sinc.

Guillermo

Reply by Debby Bruck on July 18, 2010 at 9:53pm

Very valuable lessons.

 

 

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